Monday, October 08, 2012

Further to a post 'No High Rise wanted' on September 15th

There is a concerned group named 'Stop High Rises in Lynn Valley' that has a website with a petition.

65 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't know who these people are, however you can't join them unless you join YAHOO.

Anonymous said...


Don't think you have to join. Your name gets registered on the petition if that's what you want without donating.

As per their website: 'Please sign the online petition HERE.
Note: It is a free service and you do not need to donate. When it askes to donate to the site just close the browser window. Your name has already been processed.'

Anonymous said...

I signed. I encourage all to check it out. It only takes a few seconds.

Anonymous said...

Lynn Valley people do not want hi-rises.

Anonymous said...

A couple interesting articles in the Vancouver Sun today-

It is like the people and our municipal councils are living on two very different planets. Maybe they are? It is no excuse not to listen to what kind of livability the people want!

Vancouver: The city that acts like a suburb
by Pete McMartin
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Vancouver+city+that+acts+like+suburb/7361467/story.html#ixzz28pqVZDF0

Unaffordable housing is damaging Vancouver's community fibre
by Mayor Gregor Robertson

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Unaffordable+housing+damaging+Vancouver+community+fibre/7361493/story.html

Anonymous said...

Who are you people? And why did you vote for current DNV council? Or, you were of the 80 per cent who did not vote in the November municipal election?

I certainly don't want highrises in Lynn Valley, but this has been an issue for years and you are coming out of the woodwork not identifying yourselves. Interesting.

Wendy Qureshi
2 time council candidate
More than 1000 signatures in 2007 against highrises in Lynn Valley.
unelected

Anonymous said...

unelectable..

Anonymous said...

When the first highrises mar the skyline in the district, Wendy Qureshi will become very electable.

That's when many of the sleeping 80% will wake up and will support her continuing efforts against highrises in Lynn Valley and elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, not likely. She's shown her true colours here and I doubt any sane or politically literate person would support her.

Anonymous said...

Great letter in today's NSN:

http://www.nsnews.com/business/Valley+shopping+centre+must/7366920/story.html

Anonymous said...

Political literacy is a set of abilities considered necessary for citizens to participate in a society's government.
It includes an understanding of how government works and of the important issues facing society, as well as the critical thinking skills to evaluate different points of view. Many organizations interested in participatory democracy are concerned about political literacy.
This article about a political term is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

John Sharpe said...

If you Wikipedia 'Political literacy', the link within the definition for 'participatory democracy' also alludes to 'The Occupy Movement'.

Griffin said...

And that's why Wikipedia should be taken with a grain of salt in some situations. It is not the most reliable of sources...because people can hijack the page and put their own BS in there.

Anonymous said...

Occupy did demonstrate participatory democracy, but it really only showed that for the elite 1% there is an anti thetical 1%, it was NOT representative of anything more. The 98% in the middle stayed home.

Anonymous said...

Thetical?

Griffin said...

Antithetical (without a space) simply means being in direct and unequivocal opposition to something. Perfectly appropriate use in the context of what the poster was writing. S/he just didn't type it "wirte"...

Anonymous said...

Like highrises in Lynn Valley.

John Sharpe said...

Check out public input segment of last nights council meeting at 20:00

http://204.239.10.176/wowza/flowplayer/council/council.html?start=2225&end=3737&filename=20121015

Anonymous said...

Alex Schwarz's letter in today's North Shore News:
Dear Editor:

Lynn Valley residents are very upset over the proposals to build highrises in the town centre. Currently a flyer campaign is under way to inform Lynn Valley residents about a possible future, where Lynn Valley might look more like Manhattan than a small little town in the boonies. Even though the district's community planner and the Sustainable Community Development Department assure they have done everything possible to inform the public about the decision to build highrises in Lynn Valley, the residents are surprised and angry.

The proposal clearly violates the OCP (official community plan) and you wonder how the Lynn Valley Community Association, which helped to establish the OCP, feels about the fact that the district is about to ignore all the public input and work that went into the OCP, but there is nothing but silence.

A close look at the members' list makes it clear why there is no answer. The LVCA is dominated by real estate companies and large-scale developers. It seems like the LVCA is a victim of its own success and has lost the connection to the community.

Now Lynn Valley residents have to take matters into their own hands and phone and contact municipal officials and make their voice heard and hope that someone is home to listen.

Alex Schwarz North Vancouver

© Copyright (c) North Shore News

Anonymous said...

Small little town in the boonies? Sorry, but statements like that really hurt more than help his cause. Also, as I understand it, there have only been preliminary applications made, so the public consultation process hasn't even begun. Everyone who's paying attention will get their chance to have their feelings known. Mr. Schwarz and his groups are stirring up hysteria making people think the 'proposals' are a done deal.

Anonymous said...

Check the records of DNV approved developments. It has systematically ignored the majority of residents who oppose densification. Case in point the highrise at Parkgate.

Anonymous said...

"...ignored the MAJORITY of residents???...

Hot flash. Each councillor is elected by the MAJORITY of voters. Apparently the MAJORITY are satisfied as the every encumbent councillor was elected.

Get real.

Anonymous said...

Get real? Only 21 per cent of DNV registered voters voted.

The Libs vote for their own and they do their best to not inform the public.

Anonymous said...

Oh, the conspiracy theories! If the majority were truly upset with the direction of the District, you'd know it. I have a feeling that there are a few frequenters of this blog who would probably be happiest if they moved to a gated community with rules for everything.

Anonymous said...

Your theory is backward.

Some of us are fighting for our community, Lynn Valley.

Anonymous said...

Actually I'd love to see gated communities on the N. Shore and I disagree with the conspiracy folk entirely. Nothing to do with rules for everything as every multifamily in BC has a strata council and list of rules so no biggy.

Apparently the majority don't care for gated communities or we'd see our politicians pushing for them.

Too bad for my preference but if that is the will of the majority of voters it's not a conspiracy - Lib, Socialist or other - just the view of the majority of voters.

That's real.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:26, "some" of you fighting for your community does not constitute a majority. You are fighting for your personal vision for your community. Stop presuming to be speaking for the whole population. Election results show that you clearly are not.

Anonymous said...

Yes anon 12:11 in your tunnel-visioned world 21% voter turnout in the DNV is an overwhelming success because you like the result, the incumbents are re-elected because of voter apathy only.

Anonymous said...

Well, Anon 6:54PM, I suppose if the people who agreed with your thinking actually got out and voted you'd see a very different council. I suspect that whether the turnout is 21% or 100%, the result would be the same. The majority aren't horribly upset with the direction that council is moving. Election results would suggest your opinion does not represent the majority. If you think it does, then you'll have to try harder to prove it to me. Your snarky quips won't do much to convince anyone, I'm afraid.

Anonymous said...

Watch what will happen. You will be afraid.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11:56 PM said...
"Watch what will happen. You will be afraid."

What does this even mean?
Why on earth would I be afraid? Enough of the ridiculous one-liners that offer nothing but your apparent inability to communicate! Give us your reasoning! Give us your solutions!

Anonymous said...

This is Wendy's letter in today's North Shore News.

http://www.nsnews.com/opinion/editorials/density+shift+worth+referendum/7423401/story.html

Anonymous said...

Wendy hardly speaks for the majority. The fact that she feels her "comments and written submissions were ignored", gives one the impression that she expects her views to be addressed above everyone else's! Watch her long enough and the sense of entitlement she displays is mind-blowing.

Anonymous said...

Do the math, this is not democracy.

And the same "glossy brochures" she refers to and the other DNV-staff generated propaganda given to the public since the 2007 charettes did not change.

It was not public input that was wanted here. It was the "done deal" philosophy and it was pushed onto the residents of Lynn Valley.

Anonymous said...

Not democracy? Is anyone preventing you from voting or expressing your opinion? Clearly, your view isn't shared by the majority. Get over it and move forward.

Anonymous said...

Clearly...this opinion is given space by the editors of the North Shore News.

Anonymous said...

Do they have a choice?

Anonymous said...

They have a choice. They didn't have to publish it.

Anonymous said...

A letter from Leslie Myers which will probably be published:

Dear Editor,

Regarding your editorial of Oct. 21: “Tower to the people.” I may be one of the those you allude to as writing to the North Shore News “expressing outrage at some new development” – in my case, about the proposal for Mountain Hwy and Fern St, known as the Lower Lynn Town Centre, about which I, my family, and many neighbours have grave concerns. I would like to thank you for your editorial advising citizens to speak up now, before it’s “too late in the process.”

I have noted with alarm over the past few months how again and again, area residents have been alarmed to learn of the high-density developments proposed as part of the District’s Official Community Plan (OCP), whereby 75% to 90% of future residential growth in North Van is being squeezed into four centres: Lynn Valley, Lower Lynn, Lower Capilano-Marine and Maplewood. (Is it just a coincidence that these centres are among the lower-income neighbourhoods on the North Shore?)

Single-family detached homes will be replaced by condo towers, up to 32 storeys, with all the increased traffic and neighbourhood disruption that will bring. As currently envisioned, this 20-year plan will result in approximately 6,000 more residents, while there remains limited east-west connectivity across the North Shore, and still only two bridges off it.

Personally, I have been disappointed by the seemingly callous disregard of District personnel hosting the few, and sparsely attended, opportunities for the public to learn about these developments. In fact, the weekend information booths seemed designed to discourage attendance, being held on summer Saturday mornings when most families have other priorities, and in one case, so well hidden in the parking lot that I know many people couldn’t find it and left, thinking the booth had been cancelled.

We were told that the OCP had been developed following adequate public consultation, and that if we personally weren’t aware of it until this late hour, it was our own fault for not being informed. We asked if residents in our area (Shavington St, east of E Keith) were advised of the plans for Lower Lynn, and were told “no, because you’re not considered to be impacted” and yet of course we’ll be impacted; I suspect our front yard will be in shadow of the towers at certain times of the day, not to mention the impact of thousands more vehicles on Keith Rd, Cotton St and the Low Level Rd, already congested enough.

What is obvious is that lots of money stands to be made, by developers, realtors and the like. Already many millions of dollars changed hands when the original developer sold the Lower Lynn site to the current off-shore developer. And what has been produced? A wasteland of demolished homes and gardens.

I feel the public is being coerced into believing that excessive levels of population growth are inevitable, when in fact, they are not. We’re told we need to build high rises in order to provide “affordable” housing, then when it comes on the market, guess what? It’s not "low income" but it is “affordable” for rich people!

Who will pay for the increased infrastructure required to support thousands of new residents? The schools, hospital beds, water, sewer and other necessities? We’re told not to worry, the developers will take care of it. But will they? Once they’ve made their profit, what does a company based outside Canada care about the people and community of North Vancouver?

I strongly urge residents of the District to go to this website and learn more: http://identity.dnv.org/.

I also urge anyone who cares about the future of this community to attend the upcoming public hearing on the Seylynn proposal and let District Council know what you think about it. The hearing is tentatively scheduled for Tuesday, Nov. 6; check the District website for details.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

6,000 people over 20 years = 300 people per year.

With a population of 87,000 people, 300 people per year is a growth rate of 0.3%.

0.3% ≠ "excessive levels of population"

I think the real number is higher, closer to 1%, but is a 1% growth rate abnormal or unreasonable?

Anonymous said...

Incidentally, the "Foreign" owner of the project lives in West Van, he just happens to have an Iranian last name.

(bigotry much?)

Anonymous said...

http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/letters/achieve+affordability+through+densification/7444077/story.html

CraigM6 said...

Do you live in Lynn Valley and do you want the growth that 439 new households living in these residential apartments will involve? Are you believing there is a benefit to the added traffic and diesel buses roaring around?
Where do 439 households park and if they DO park where do they drive?

I do believe these towers would change the character of our Lynn Valley area from a village to something which eventually will be more like today's Metrotown in Burnaby. I recognize that some people might find this desireable. This council and in particular this mayor is committed to accommodating growth and feels we absolutely must absorb more people on the North Shore, yet I have never seen in the OCP or anywhere else a strategy for ENDING growth, for clearly recognizing when enough is enough. Where is the public endorsement of densitification sprawl beyond which we change the character of our neighbourhood so as to make it something entirely different? Where is the referendum that makes the endorsement by Lynn Valley residents clear and unequivocal. It is nowhere to be found and that is why you have the likes of Alex Schwarz and others unhappy with this proposal.



Anonymous said...

DNV council has stated many times that the presence of a highrise in the area would not be instrumental in their decision to approve a highrise development.

The developers, however, always state that the current proposal "fits" as there is a highrise in range.

If they get started, we will lose our beautiful Lynn Valley to Capitalists.

Anonymous said...

As this thread fades away we should move our conversation to stophirises.com

Anonymous said...

Wow, did Lynn Valley suddenly become some sort of enclave of communism. See all those shops and businesses in your neighbourhood? That's capitalism! Who employs the residents of your community? I'm pretty sure there are capitalists involved there. Holy crap, stop the idiotic class warfare. If you can afford to live on the shore, your doing pretty well.

Anonymous said...

These are bad Capitalists. Many think that densification in Lynn Valley will bring them more business. Wrong! With more densification comes more businesses and more competition...and a reduced quality of life for everyone except the greedy developers and staff who endorse their projects.

Anonymous said...

So, Anon 11:06 AM who pays your way?

Anonymous said...

I do.

Anonymous said...

So nobody pays you a salary?

Anonymous said...

You got it.

Anonymous said...

Then how do you survive, if not by some form of capitalist venture?

Anonymous said...

Pensions from a long life of hard work.

Anonymous said...

And those pension funds are maintained how?

Anonymous said...

The silence is deafening..... It's really interesting how some people think that what they do (or did) is not as offensive as what somebody else does (or did) and that their crap doesn't stink the way others' does.

Unless you work in a kibutz or under a communist system, Capitalism is what ultimately pays your wages. Get it?

Anonymous said...

No,
You Capitalist fiend.
You are a Nazi.

Anonymous said...

Is that the best you can do, Anon 11:09? Does it make you feel like a big person behave so childishly? Rather than name calling, why not muster all of your mental ability and actually respond with an argument that outlines and supports your view, rather than belittling others for expressing their views? If you don't have the mental fortitude for discussing these topics, perhaps you should just sit silently because all you are doing now is displaying your lack of intelligence.

Griffin said...

Amen! They obviously don't get it, and when challenged to defend their rather weak position, respond with attacks and slurs. I don't think they actually know what a Nazi is, for Gawd's sake. And what is a Capitalist fiend???? I admit that I don't know!

Anonymous said...

What a messy thread. There have been two letters published in the North Shore News in the last 2 weeks. One written by Wendy Qureshi and one written by John Sharpe.
John's letter basically agreed with the math and the comments at all candidates' meetings referred to in Wendy's letter, and added a few interesting comments such as he was at the meetings and he saw the same faces, and how exactly did Mayor Richard Walton arrive at the figure that "over 3000 people in the DNV participated?"

Anonymous said...

Truthfully, this thread is no messier than one of WQ's letters or rants on this very blog.

John Sharpe said...

I would not like to see highrises in Lynn Valley Centre. I believe they would be out of keeping with the character and profile of the neighbourhood that we know and love. There are other options offered in the OCP besides highrises.

I chose to live and own in LV largely because it doesn't have the feel of a big city. Having said that, the traffic, noise, congestion, and air quality is already bad at peak times and I don't beleive the infrastructure is up to to handling more.

I agree with Griffin that careful development planning going forward is the key. Planning that somehow involves a majority of the community. Perhaps it's referendum time again.

Anonymous said...

This street naming contest in the DNV is outrageous! The press release went out on November 5 and the deadline for contributions is November 23!
What is the hurry?

Anonymous said...

Why spend more time than necessary on such a ridiculous venture? How much money is this contest costing the tax payer?

Anonymous said...

If they build the highrises high enough you could see from your appartement window how long it will take you to cross the bridge in the morning

Anonymous said...

The Zellers building has no character. Most people would like to see something done there. It's just a matter of what. The Bosa and Safeway applications are only preliminary. There will be changes for sure. Wait to see what changes they come up with.